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DroneBay Diva AbChao Synchr0nicity	Posted - 2008.04.20 08:04:00 - [1] I do believe I was trolling here before we were so rudely interrupted. _____________________________________________________________________________
DroneBay Diva AbChao Synchr0nicity	Posted - 2008.04.20 08:23:00 - [2] Originally by: Talarn Kalarn I wonder if the irony of using a copy and paste function for your post has hit yet. Forums /= Eve _____________________________________________________________________________
DroneBay Diva AbChao Synchr0nicity	Posted - 2008.04.20 08:50:00 - [3] Edited by: DroneBay Diva on 20/04/2008 08:52:19 Originally by: Reuser Originally by: Chribba I'd say we need a proper CCP investigation of this, to see weather or not this runs on the macro list. Automated software for notifying a pilot of in-game events... automated software for clicking a button every minute... tbh I'm not that happy with the "feature" this software adds. But have yet to see a proper CCP statement after doing a more deep check. Honestly, we tried to emulate your trusted third party-ness with this tool. We've bent over backwards to be transparent, CCP compliant, and open with this tool. We've tried to give EVERYONE access to the same things at the same time, while balancing being able to release a usable product. Again, open source, GPL, and accountable to CCP. I wish I could do more for you, because quite honestly, I think you and we are on the right path. This is my PERSONAL opinion, not a statement of Gunfleet policy. I think you will find that most of us agree with this post, however. It's not your openness/willingness to share that is being brought into question here. As a matter of fact, I admire the HOW of what you've done here. Getting CCP's approval (for now), allowing the code to be seen by the public, etc. You have done a good job in that regard. It's what the product DOES that is being called into question. It is practically automating a part of the game that SHOULD NOT be automated. If people want to do things risk free they should have to pay attention and work for it. They should not have a 3rd party program that goes 'beep time to ctrl q now' At any rate, I should've been in bed about 2 hours ago, We'll see what has come of this in the morning. Edit: On one final note, not having Chribba's approval is hopefully gonna pull some weight somewhere that matters. _____________________________________________________________________________
DroneBay Diva AbChao Synchr0nicity	Posted - 2008.04.20 19:25:00 - [4] Originally by: Esmenet If this gets approved by CCP i will probably quit the game. _____________________________________________________________________________
DroneBay Diva AbChao Synchr0nicity	Posted - 2008.04.20 21:45:00 - [5] Originally by: Blane Xero "But its already been happening just not publically" Murders happen every day, just mostly not publicaly, that doesnt make it right, because thats what this mod would do to the remaining pvp life in lowsec, Murder it. _____________________________________________________________________________
DroneBay Diva AbChao Synchr0nicity	Posted - 2008.04.20 21:54:00 - [6] Originally by: Speaker Dead Seriously though, do people really think the aim is to just help farmers? What about industrial corps that are being griefed by wardecers? Why shouldn't they have some type of incoming warning? It's appears the snipers and griefers want all the advantages and none of the disadvantages. A) No, Industrial corps should NOT have advanced warning, if that warning comes from a 3rd party app. If they want to use alt scouts, well that sucks, but it's part of the game. Eve is NOT supposed to be 100% safe anywhere, which is exactly why gameplay aspects such as suicide ganking have not been nerfed. If CCP wanted people to be 'safe' and to make the game harder for 'griefers' suicide ganks would be the first thing to go, I assure you. B) 'Griefers' (aka, people who kill others within the gameplay mechanics) do NOT want any advantages. What they want is for the other guy to also not have an unfair advantage. They want a level playing field. Bacon Eliminates that levelness. _____________________________________________________________________________
DroneBay Diva AbChao Synchr0nicity	Posted - 2008.04.20 22:06:00 - [7] Originally by: Elise Randolph Originally by: DroneBay Diva Originally by: Esmenet If this gets approved by CCP i will probably quit the game. Can I have your stuff? My stuff is spoken for I assure you.
DroneBay Diva AbChao Synchr0nicity	Posted - 2008.04.20 23:49:00 - [8] Originally by: Blane Xero Edited by: Blane Xero on 20/04/2008 23:46:53 Originally by: Luminary Mind Quote: It's no more metagame than Teamspeak. Thats just a load of bull****, teamspeak is other PEOPLE feeding intel to you, this is a PROGRAM feeding intel to you that is in REAL TIME on time every time. Teamspeak at least requires SOMEONE to be paying attention. This. Teamspeak requires TEAMWORK (gee, fancy that), whereas Bacon requires....not a whole lot, other being within hearing range of your speakers max settings. _____________________________________________________________________________
DroneBay Diva AbChao Synchr0nicity	Posted - 2008.04.22 02:49:00 - [9] Originally by: Tortun Nahme stop! \o/ your infallible logic will hurt their brains I find it amusing that every single one of your posts in this thread are of the "Ha! Somebody else made a counterargument, so now I'm going to poast a 'take that!' response" Honestly, I can't find a single constructive post from you in this whole thread. _____________________________________________________________________________
DroneBay Diva AbChao Synchr0nicity	Posted - 2008.04.22 03:13:00 - [10] I would be interested to see what would happen to Eve if all of the carebears got their way. 1. Allow Bacon 2. Eliminate Suicide Ganks 3. Nerf empire wars (again) 4. Get rid of probing people out in missions 5. Boost sentry guns in lowsec etc etc. I would be interested to see how long Eve actually lasts. Eventually all you would be left with are the people who sit in highsec all day and accumulate 'stuff', because the game would be *****-ass boring for everyone else. _____________________________________________________________________________
DroneBay Diva AbChao Synchr0nicity	Posted - 2008.04.22 04:04:00 - [11] Edited by: DroneBay Diva on 22/04/2008 04:04:48 Originally by: DigitalCommunist Quote 'dis if you're down. You sir, seem to have mistaken this for a Goonswarm thread.
DroneBay Diva AbChao Synchr0nicity	Posted - 2008.04.22 05:28:00 - [12] Originally by: Hllaxiu Originally by: Dante Cyberon Gm's while being CCP are not the Developers, all we want is an official mark of approval from a senior CCP developer that does not have a disclaimer other than "We hold the right to change our minds" etc. Bah stupid alt -Blane Xero Uh, GMs > Devs as far as banning you is concerned... Tbh, CCP are not going to ban anybody for developing something they previously said was legal, even if they do change their minds. While I do not like this product, and I think it is bad for Eve as a whole, I do not wish to see the creators of it banned.
DroneBay Diva AbChao Synchr0nicity	Posted - 2008.04.22 06:38:00 - [13] Edited by: DroneBay Diva on 22/04/2008 06:39:41 Originally by: Dictum Factum Originally by: Ikki Phoenix ...people don't like change. Others do not like to share advantages that they already have, either. This must be where you signature comes into play. I have never used this program or any other like it, and I'm pretty sure I can say the same for most of the most vocal people in this thread as well. I personally use Vent, Evemon, and occasionally EFT. None of these programs, however, give mean automated system which gives me a real-time ingame advantage. And to be perfectly honest, I don't begrudge the people who use this. If CCP has not deemed it illegal, then by all means, take every advantage you can get. That is what Eve is all about. What I do not understand, however, is the people who honestly can't see how this fundamentally changes the way the game is played. And yes, I am willing to quit over this, because it is a significant nerf on my playstyle, to the point where I believe it will be more frustrating, and more like work, than actual fun. I am, however, going to wait the 2 months til my subscription runs out to see what comes of this. And no, you can't have my stuff, it's spoken for. _____________________________________________________________________________
DroneBay Diva AbChao Synchr0nicity	Posted - 2008.04.22 08:00:00 - [14] Originally by: Dictum Factum Originally by: DroneBay Diva I have never used this program or any other like it. I did not state that you did. Perhaps you should read my post again. My understanding of your post was that the people against Bacon are people who privately use a similar program. While I'm sure some do (and I hope they get the nerfbat too, for what it's worth), I'm equally sure that the majority of Eve does not. _____________________________________________________________________________
DroneBay Diva AbChao Synchr0nicity	Posted - 2008.04.23 02:20:00 - [15] Originally by: GM Grimmi Greetings, The LogServer output is solely intended by CCP as information for developers to help identify and fix bugs. While BACON, and the many similar tools currently used by a large number of players, may technically not be in violation of our EULA/TOS, we frown upon the use of this information for any other purpose and we are currently working on changes to prevent this sort of unintended use of information provided by the LogServer. Regards, GM Grimmi Lead Game Master Coming home to this definitely made my day <3 CCP, I promise I'll never (rarely) badmouth you again.
DroneBay Diva AbChao Synchr0nicity	Posted - 2008.04.23 04:41:00 - [16] Originally by: NCTaark Congratulations GFL! Three days old as a topic and 26 pages worth of inferno, that is pretty impressive! It is pretty impressive Reminds of the 'Why BoB are Losing' series by James 315. /me awaits a 'Why Goons are Losing' thread.

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